Tuesday, 2013-10-01

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githubhawtio/gh-pages ae1f3a1 FuseSource CI: Wagon: Deploying sitegen to repository00:01
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github[hawtio] jstrachan pushed 1 new commit to master: http://git.io/Wvgbgg12:14
githubhawtio/master e1efe85 James Strachan: re-enabled old test that was failing12:14
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atoonihi, slightly off topic question, but who would be "Mr. Fabric" @fusesource ?12:18
* jstrachan hides12:19
atoonilol12:19
jstrachanprobably gnodet and iocanel these days12:19
jstrachanthough I can hopefully help too12:19
atoonilet me dig through the docs a bit ..... I was just wondering what it really does for me12:20
atoonias i might have implemented something similar on plain equinox12:20
jstrachanlots of things really; but basically its a way of working with lots of jvms; so you can then provision & do config admin, patching and rolling upgrades across a number of machines (e.g. upgrade off of them to a new version, roll forward, backwards etc)12:22
jstrachanbasically a nice simple way to manage many containers (osgi / tomcat / wildlfy) using git to store all the details; with versioning, rolling upgrades and deploying things etc12:23
atoonisounds indeedsimilar12:23
jstrachanthere's various discover stuff too (e.g. discover the right geographic cluster of brokers for the jms client to connect to etc)12:23
atoonii am working with a retail client where i ultimately need to maintain ~2000 containers12:24
jstrachanSLA based auto-scaling, automatic resource agregation in JON, etc etc so lots of things really12:24
jstrachanthat sounds like an ideal kinda fabric thing12:24
atoonineed to look at it then12:24
atooniwhat i currently have is a central registry that holds the config admin stuff for all remote containers12:25
jstrachanfabric works similar; though its now (in 6.1) using a git repo for all config - and each machine has its own clone - so we've highly available and network independent distributed conifg12:26
jstrachanthen we pull/push to the master - which is elected with failover12:26
atooniwould it be reasonably easy to create a "preconfigured" fabric container using the assembly plugin ?12:26
jstrachanwe have 1 distro of a fabric container - then when it connects to the fabric its told what its gonna be & what features/bundles/config-admin to use12:27
atooniI am asking because i use the preconfigured assemblies for my nightly integration tests12:27
atoonii see12:27
atooniso it would be down to packaging the config ?12:27
jstrachanwe can provision using tarball, via ssh (which then spins up a new container on a remote box, starts it up & it auto-connects back) via jclouds (EC2, rackspace etc) via karaf child containers or via openshift12:27
jstrachancool12:27
jstrachanin a fuse distro, you use "fabric:create" to create a new fabric or "fabric:join" to join an existing one12:28
atoonii assume there would be some kind of API12:28
jstrachanif you wanna play with 6.1 EA builds - grab a distro here http://repo.fusesource.com/nexus/content/repositories/jboss-fuse-6.1.x/org/fusesource/fabric/fuse-fabric/12:28
jstrachanyeah12:28
atooniso i could use a boot strapping bundle12:28
atoonineed to go and play with it then :)12:29
jstrachanyeah - we're using karaf features to define the bundles though; so might need to add karaf to equinox12:29
jstrachanor you can boot it up on your 3 free machines on openshift if you're feeling brave12:29
atoonii have thought about that :)12:29
jstrachanhttps://github.com/jboss-fuse/fuse/blob/master/readme.md#running-fuse-fabric-on-openshift12:29
atoonicurrently i have jenkins running the show on all my OS flavors in all the countries i need to support12:30
jstrachanits easier to use locally mind you ;) you can still create many JVMs - only its much faster ;)12:30
atoonimany VM's is not my problem :)12:30
jstrachan:)12:30
jstrachanatooni here's how to use it locally https://github.com/jboss-fuse/fuse/blob/master/readme.md#creating-a-fabric12:30
jstrachanhere's an old little demo of how to do iPaaS type stuff with it (provisioning code, editing camel routes and rolling upgrades etc) https://github.com/jboss-fuse/fuse/blob/master/readme.md#heres-a-demo12:31
atoonithat gives loads of infos12:31
atoonii think i have seen that12:31
atooniguess my course of action would be to bring my app over to karaf land12:32
jstrachanfabric obviously knows where all the JVMs are - and lets you easily connect into any of them - and see your lovely OSGi dependences view on any container ;)12:32
jstrachanyeah :)12:32
jstrachanor at least just play with fabric for a bit and see12:32
atooniyeah will do that12:32
atoonimy major concern is the integration test automation12:33
jstrachanthe kibana stuff is awesome too - query, slice and dice all logs across all containers with lovely UI eye candy12:33
jstrachanwhat do you use right now? works fine in pax-exam at least12:33
atoonievrything else is more or less plain vanilla AMQ / Camel / Blueprint12:33
jstrachancool12:33
atoonii had a severe case of NIHS :)12:33
jstrachanits easy to create unit tests with fabric to spin up new fabrics and run the tests on the fabric and make assertions from the outside in JUnit12:33
jstrachan;)12:33
atooninot exactly true...i had tried exam and co12:34
atoonibut ran into probs acrooss the wide spread number of OS's i need to run on12:34
atooniso built my own test framework12:34
atoonibased on Camel Test Support12:35
atoonitreating the containers as a black box12:35
atoonii ll go and play a bit with fabric12:36
atoonii guess contributions are welcome ? ;)12:36
jstrachandefinitely :)12:39
jstrachanall the code is here: https://github.com/jboss-fuse/fuse though we're hoping to contribute it to a servicemix sub project whenever the lawyers get around to signing off on the donation12:40
atoonicool12:40
atoonido i need to sign a contributors license or something ?12:40
atoonii am not fuse anymore ;)12:41
jstrachanno, thats fine - it'll be going to apache soon anyway - hopefully - but we can accept patches anyways12:41
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atooniright....probably will be back with questions :)12:44
jstrachancool :)12:45
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github[hawtio] fusesource-ci pushed 1 new commit to gh-pages: http://git.io/Afm0GA14:03
githubhawtio/gh-pages bee646b FuseSource CI: Wagon: Deploying sitegen to repository14:03
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github[hawtio] jstrachan pushed 2 new commits to master: http://git.io/vt4a0Q14:27
githubhawtio/master 7b9426a James Strachan: default to child container if no openshift for now (as ssh seems less common); we could later on cache/store the preferred value maybe?14:27
githubhawtio/master 59c2cae James Strachan: added nicer tool tips to make entering openshift forms easier; also moved the number of containers and gears onto the default page14:27
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davsclaushawtio is using osgi 4.2.014:51
davsclausbut the other stuff like camel / amq / karaf is using 4.3.014:52
davsclausbut not sure how many bombs blast if we upgrade ?14:52
davsclausto be aligned14:52
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github[hawtio] jstrachan pushed 1 new commit to master: http://git.io/Qf8CAQ14:53
githubhawtio/master 05f669a James Strachan: more openshift create form polish14:53
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davsclausjstrachan a question for you - http://stackoverflow.com/questions/19098362/users-in-hawt-io-in-an-standalone-java-app14:55
jstrachanslewis any idea? :) http://stackoverflow.com/questions/19098362/users-in-hawt-io-in-an-standalone-java-app14:55
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github[hawtio] gashcrumb pushed 1 new commit to master: http://git.io/2IIIxg14:56
githubhawtio/master 3e7922c Stan Lewis: Fix #600, requires fabric-core rebuild to pick up new JMX api call14:56
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slewisyeah, not really, I guess it'd be a matter of setting up JAAS in jetty14:57
slewisbut not sure how much we expose, i.e. can someone use a custom jetty.xml in the standalone app14:57
davsclaushe would need to embed a web server like jetty14:58
davsclausand then go from there14:58
davsclausjstrachan, slewis - whats our take on hawtio 1.2 release in the public14:58
davsclauseg it seems some libraries is a bit to depended on -redhat versions14:58
davsclausError executing command: URL [mvn:org.apache.felix/org.apache.felix.gogo.runtime/0.11.0.redhat-610071}] could not be resolved.14:59
jstrachanslewis davsclaus  maybe we recommend, for security - to really use tomcat/jetty/karaf?14:59
davsclauseg we got a felix gogo version etc14:59
jstrachanwe should do a 1.2 release soon - though - once the pressure of fuse 6.1 is off a littel14:59
slewisjstrachan: yeah, I did a little digging and really there's only docs on setting up JAAS in containers14:59
jstrachanyeah14:59
jstrachanmaybe security is a good example to say 'erm, try using a real container now'?15:00
davsclausyeah but do we ever get to a point where we can do a hawtio release without any -redhat dependencies ?15:00
davsclausif we want to go widespread it has IMHO to be 100% pure versions in use15:00
davsclausfrom maven central et all15:00
davsclausand not EA jars from jboss15:01
davsclausjust why do we need a special gogo release ?15:01
davsclausor is it just more reason to hate osgi more15:01
davsclausbecuase you need custom builds of felix15:01
slewisum yeah, I just aligned the dependency for hawtio-karaf-terminal with the ESB to be honest15:02
jstrachandavsclaus folks outside of osgi don't need to use any osgi stuff15:02
slewisI guess we could build that against a vanilla apache version15:02
jstrachanyeah - I guess the OSS distro of hawtio should use public repo'd dependencies?15:02
davsclausjust trying to install hawtio 1.2 in karaf 2.3.315:03
jstrachanyeah - the terminal is causing issues - I guess without the terminal - it shoudl work15:03
davsclausbut whats the fix in felix gogo ?15:03
jstrachanor maybe we do a non-terminal feature?15:03
davsclausyeah features:install hawtio may not install the terminal15:03
davsclausbut its a bit hawtio but i guess a security risk15:04
davsclausas you can then do anything you want15:04
slewisyeah, but not having the terminal is kinda lame15:04
davsclauscant gnodet  do more frequent felix releases at ASF ?15:04
davsclausso we can get stuff released before 6.115:04
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github[hawtio] fusesource-ci pushed 1 new commit to gh-pages: http://git.io/BhQj9w15:05
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davsclausand rely on ASF versions15:05
slewishere, let me see if I can get hawtio-karaf-terminal to build against vanilla versions...15:06
slewisshould be do-able I'd think15:06
davsclausk15:06
davsclausthough maybe the github hawtio is pure15:07
gnodetdavsclaus: i don't think we really use anything that's not at apache15:07
gnodetfrom a hawtio perspective i mean15:07
davsclausk15:07
davsclausi guess its more to have version ranges in features instead15:07
davsclausslewis maybe instead of using ${gogo-version}15:07
davsclausyou use a version range15:07
slewisyeah...15:08
davsclausthen the ${gogo-version} is not fixed to be a redhat version15:08
jstrachannow we've the fuse branch; we can keep fuse versions out of hawtio (unless its needed until there's an apache release)15:08
davsclausjstrachan +1 we do that for fabric AFAIR - or try to do that :)15:09
davsclauseg hawtio is the new console in ASF AMQ 5.9 so we better have it use pure ASF when possible15:09
gnodetdavsclaus: we did, i don't think that's the case anymore15:09
jstrachanyeah15:09
gnodetbtw, the dashboard looks awesome !15:10
jstrachanyeah! :)15:15
jstrachanlove how its profile based!15:15
jstrachanwonder if we can put kibana things into the dashboard… ;)15:15
slewisso dashboard items are mainly controlled by $location and $routeParams15:17
slewisworst case we can create wrapper controllers around a particular "thing" and do it...15:18
slewisthen it's just a matter of creating the right "add to dashboard" link15:18
jstrachanyeah15:20
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atoonibtw....it's quite fun to show the UI to people who claim Open Source stuff doesn't have Manageabilty :)15:33
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github[hawtio] jstrachan pushed 1 new commit to master: http://git.io/N4RiQg15:35
githubhawtio/master efabf95 James Strachan: support smart completion of root containers (and use nested "input-attributes" map to easily configure any <input> control), and default the root container if there's only 115:35
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github[hawtio] jstrachan pushed 1 new commit to master: http://git.io/eMf3iQ15:39
githubhawtio/master de1b5dd James Strachan: document how we can use the typehead directive with forms15:39
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github[hawtio] jstrachan pushed 1 new commit to master: http://git.io/iLYNoQ15:43
githubhawtio/master c260c0f James Strachan: use the default / advanced tabs for nicer child container form15:43
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githubhawtio/master ec66bc7 Stan Lewis: Fix #60315:47
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githubhawtio/master 23b53a8 Stan Lewis: Rework the profile list controls a bit16:07
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