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jcrossley3tcrawley-away: my question in the morning will be: why not just hard-code the client-id to some known value?01:43
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borkdudeis the ajp port in immutant 1 on jboss on by default?11:48
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borkdudeI see this in standalone.xml <socket-binding name="ajp" port="8009"/>11:49
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tcrawleyborkdude: I think you need to add '<connector name="ajp" protocol="AJP/1.3" socket-binding="ajp"/>' as well13:11
borkdudetcrawley ah thanks13:11
tcrawleynext to the http connector entry (in the '<subsystem xmlns="urn:jboss:domain:web:1.4" default-virtual-server="default-host" native="false">' entry)13:11
tcrawleyjcrossley3-away: client-ids have to be unique: " If another connection with the same clientID is already running when this method is called, the JMS provider should detect the duplicate ID and throw an InvalidClientIDException. "13:12
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tcrawleyI think the client-id -> subscription-name change on context made things more confusing, not less13:27
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jcrossley3tcrawley: i agree. that was probably my idea, right?13:34
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tcrawleyjcrossley3: I think it was mutual13:37
tcrawleylet me play with it a bit and see if I can make it less confusing (which probably includes reverting that change)13:38
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jcrossley3tcrawley: i think the reason the messaging api seems more complicated is we removed all the opinionation13:47
tcrawleymore complicated than 1.x?13:47
jcrossley3the 1.x api valued integrity over performance13:48
jcrossley3the 2.x api tries to provide both13:49
jcrossley3the latter, of course, is more desirable, but ultimately impossible13:50
jcrossley3and it's hard to write that :)13:50
jcrossley3s/write/document/13:50
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tcrawleyjcrossley3: https://gist.github.com/0ce052bce2d1368dea5e is that any clearer?15:10
jcrossley3tcrawley: sorry, reading15:14
tcrawleyno worries15:14
tcrawleyit basically restores the client-id name, and clarifies the docs a bit15:14
jcrossley3tcrawley: i agree that, given the jms weirdness, that is far clearer, yes.15:17
tcrawleyyeah, I'm not happy with it. but it's better15:17
jcrossley3so i'm cool with the subscribe stuff per that gist, but now i'm stuck on the :xa? option...15:18
jcrossley3xa seems to be on, by default, for local dests and off, by default, for remote dests.15:19
jcrossley3so that [false] isn't entirely correct15:19
jcrossley3i think15:19
tcrawleyis that difference on purpose?15:20
jcrossley3i can't recall15:20
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GitHub32[immutant.org] tobias pushed 1 new commit to master: http://git.io/j67W15:20
GitHub32immutant.org/master d5febd9 Toby Crawley: Add clojure/west unsession to talks.15:20
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jbossbotTitle: Add clojure/west unsession to talks. · immutant/immutant.org@d5febd9 · GitHub15:20
jcrossley3tcrawley: i *think* it has to do with the way wildfly behaves15:20
jcrossley3which is beyond our control15:21
tcrawleyah15:21
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jcrossley3tcrawley: so say i call (msg/publish q "foo")15:23
jcrossley3by default that will create a context that is xa-capable, i.e. if a transaction is active, it'll join it.15:23
jcrossley3if there is no tx active, no problem, though there might be an "if condition" of perf overhead in that case.15:24
jcrossley3let's say i wanted to avoid that if condition...15:25
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projectodd-ciToby Crawley: Add clojure/west unsession to talks.15:25
jcrossley3(msg/publish q "foo" :context (msg/context))15:25
jcrossley3that's weird15:25
tcrawleyyeah, that is a bit weird15:26
jcrossley3i just hate that we're even discussing optimizing away an if statement, tbh15:26
jcrossley3and that's the perf/integrity tradeoff15:26
tcrawleyI think the bigger issue is the default for msg/context is different than the default for internally-created contexts15:27
jcrossley3yeah15:27
jcrossley3i get that a batch of publishes needs its own context15:27
jcrossley3i'm just not sure the :xa? option needs to exist15:27
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GitHub57[immutant.org] tobias merged master into production: http://git.io/j6bi15:28
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jbossbotTitle: Comparing e16dc4cdaf0a...d5febd914607 · immutant/immutant.org · GitHub15:28
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projectodd-ciToby Crawley: Add clojure/west unsession to talks.15:33
jcrossley3tcrawley: maybe it's simple enough to just change the :xa? default to [true]15:35
tcrawleywhat would that mean for remotes? true as well? and is that a bad idea?15:35
jcrossley3yes, and i dunno15:36
jcrossley3because it just doesn't matter if there's no tx active15:36
jcrossley3i think15:37
jbossbotgit [immutant] push thedeuce d31b661.. Toby Crawley Switch back to :client-id [IMMUTANT-545]...15:39
jbossbotgit [immutant] push thedeuce URL: http://github.com/immutant/immutant/commit/d31b6614a15:39
jbossbotjira [IMMUTANT-545] Rename msg/context's :subscription-name back to :client-id [Open (Unresolved) Enhancement, Major, Unassigned] https://issues.jboss.org/browse/IMMUTANT-54515:39
tcrawleyjcrossley3: ^ doesn't include any guide changes. I left that alone since you are in there atm15:39
jcrossley3kk!15:39
jcrossley3tcrawley: this is what our migration guide currently says: https://gist.github.com/32d2feaa35e98a6bba7815:41
jcrossley3which is slightly different than what i implied above15:42
tcrawleyhmm15:46
tcrawleyhow expensive is the 'if check' you referred to earlier? where is that?15:46
jcrossley3tcrawley: well, apparently it's not there15:49
jcrossley3other than ours15:49
tcrawleythen maybe you're right - we should maybe dump the :xa? option, and let the behavior be driven by the current tx state15:50
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projectodd-ciToby Crawley: Switch back to :client-id [IMMUTANT-545]15:50
jbossbotjira [IMMUTANT-545] Rename msg/context's :subscription-name back to :client-id [Open (Unresolved) Enhancement, Major, Unassigned] https://issues.jboss.org/browse/IMMUTANT-54515:50
jcrossley3tcrawley: i think i agree15:53
jcrossley3lemme look into it a bit15:53
jcrossley3"lemme" reminds me of "lemmy" reminds me of "ace of spades" reminds me of "eight of spades"15:54
tcrawleyheh15:54
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jcrossley3tcrawley: ok, here's the problem...16:11
tcrawleylay it on me, brother16:11
jcrossley3wait16:11
tcrawleywaiting16:11
jcrossley3stop waiting. pretend i'm not here for a while.16:12
tcrawleywdm16:12
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projectodd-ciToby Crawley: Switch back to :client-id [IMMUTANT-545]16:35
jbossbotjira [IMMUTANT-545] Rename msg/context's :subscription-name back to :client-id [Open (Unresolved) Enhancement, Major, Unassigned] https://issues.jboss.org/browse/IMMUTANT-54516:35
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jcrossley3tcrawley: if we change this, we probably need a beta317:07
jcrossley3or not. nobody uses transactions. :)17:08
jcrossley3tcrawley: i lied. there seems to be more involved than just an if condition17:16
jcrossley3i forgot about the two different factories. htf knows what's involved with an XA CF17:16
jcrossley3i'm gonna doc how it is, and we'll rehash this in 6 months17:18
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tcrawleyjcrossley3: kk!17:44
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tcrawleyjcrossley3: I tried to get the hornetq ns to work in-container, but we really can't without loading hq classes from the hq modules, which we need to avoid :(19:23
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jbossbotgit [immutant] push thedeuce e4e4271.. Toby Crawley Throw if hornetq ns is used in-container [IMMUTANT-544]19:42
jbossbotgit [immutant] push thedeuce URL: http://github.com/immutant/immutant/commit/e4e4271ab19:42
jbossbotjira [IMMUTANT-544] See if we can get immutant.messaging.hornetq/set-address-settings to work in-container [Open (Unresolved) Enhancement, Major, Unassigned] https://issues.jboss.org/browse/IMMUTANT-54419:42
tcrawleyjcrossley3: and that's unfortunate, since it's a step back19:42
tcrawleycompared to 1.x, that is19:44
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jcrossley3yeah, but i agree with your reasoning19:52
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projectodd-ciToby Crawley: Throw if hornetq ns is used in-container [IMMUTANT-544]19:53
jbossbotjira [IMMUTANT-544] See if we can get immutant.messaging.hornetq/set-address-settings to work in-container [Open (Unresolved) Enhancement, Major, Unassigned] https://issues.jboss.org/browse/IMMUTANT-54419:53
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projectodd-ciToby Crawley: Throw if hornetq ns is used in-container [IMMUTANT-544]20:47
jbossbotjira [IMMUTANT-544] Throw when immutant.messaging.hornetq/set-address-settings is called in-container [Resolved (Done) Enhancement, Major, Unassigned] https://issues.jboss.org/browse/IMMUTANT-54420:47
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tcrawleyjcrossley3: how close are we? I'd love to give you 2.0.0 as a birthday present :)21:03
jcrossley3haha21:04
jcrossley3you're gonna have to do better than that! :)21:04
tcrawleyto motivate you? or appease you on your birthday?21:04
jcrossley3i just have to make myself do it21:04
tcrawleywhat's left? messaging.md?21:05
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jcrossley3tcrawley: yes, pretty much21:08
jcrossley3tcrawley: i'm gonna finish it by midnight tonight!21:08
jcrossley3so i think we should release it on 4/1!21:08
tcrawleylemme know if I can help21:08
tcrawleyindeed!21:08
jcrossley3tcrawley: you already have!21:08
tcrawleykk!21:08
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