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jcrossley3tcrawley-away: re this sentence, "if you mark the request as async, it doesn't check it again (by default) until you try to read from, write to, or close it."13:15
jcrossley3the "by default" qualification implies there's an alternative13:15
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tcrawleyjcrossley3: the "by default" is a reference to IDLE_TIMEOUT13:44
tcrawleyI should have probably taken that out13:44
jcrossley3tcrawley: IDLE_TIMEOUT isn't an option for you because it can't be per-channel?13:45
tcrawleythat, and we don't have that option in-container13:45
jcrossley3tcrawley: if there was an option in-container, would it still be a non-starter because of its server-widedness?13:46
jcrossley3because i think that's a tradeoff we shouldn't easily dismiss13:46
tcrawleywhat's the tradeoff there? delegating dealing with it to undertow itself?13:47
jcrossley3yes. weighing the benefit of per-channel timeout against the complexity of adding a reaper.13:48
tcrawleyif we had per-channel timeouts, we could timeout ajax requests in sente, but not ws channels13:49
tcrawleysince we don't want to do that13:49
jcrossley3i'm not sure i understand. i thought the whole point of sente was to "treat those two imposters the same"13:49
* jcrossley3 tosses out a kipling reference, yo13:50
tcrawleyfrom an application/user perspective, yes. but the implementation can't treat them the same. in sente, ws connections are long-lived, and ajax requests close after receiving data or abort after 25s, whichever comes first13:52
tcrawleyif the ws connection does get closed, the client will automatically reconnect, so a server-wide timeout wouldn't be terrible, just a little less efficient13:52
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jcrossley3tcrawley: i'd happily trade less efficient in an extreme edge case for not adding a reaper13:56
tcrawleythe timeout would then apply to every request, async or no13:57
jcrossley3i'm trying to come up with a reason that's bad13:58
jcrossley3it would be configurable13:58
tcrawleywhat I don't like about it is the default with utow is to allow you to leak connections13:59
jcrossley3idu13:59
jcrossley3we'd be overriding that default, no?13:59
tcrawleyonly if we add a default timeout, and it WF would still leak by default, since we can't programatically set it there14:01
jcrossley3yeah, i'm fine doc'ing instructions for configuring it in WF14:05
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tcrawleyjcrossley3: the question is - is it even an option in WF?14:13
jcrossley3tcrawley: i'm pretty sure i've seen a way to configure undertow-specific options in the standalone.xml14:13
jcrossley3tcrawley: another thing to consider when you inevitably ignore everything i say and proceed to implement the reaper is how it behaves when someone uses a builder to set IDLE_TIMEOUT14:14
jcrossley3and for the love of pete, please don't introduce any configuration for the reaper14:18
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tcrawleyjcrossley3: man, you got argumentative quickly14:50
jcrossley3it felt more like surrender14:50
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* tcrawley thought we were still in the discussion phase14:51
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jcrossley3tcrawley: i guess i jumped to the conclusion that you wanted to do the reaper15:00
tcrawleyI'm not sold on the reaper, no15:01
tcrawleyanother option is we tell users "you have to close all your channels"15:01
tcrawleybut that means bigger changes to sente, which may not fly15:01
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tcrawleyand there may be a way to still do per-channel TO w/o a reaper thread, maybe15:02
tcrawleyto respond to your earlier ?: with a reaper and setting IDLE_TO, whichever had a lower TO would win15:03
tcrawleyand the only config would be the :idle-timeout option to as-channel15:03
jcrossley3tcrawley: so what's the relationship between setIdleTimeout and IDLE_TIMEOUT?15:18
tcrawleywhere is setIdleTimeout()?15:18
jcrossley3AbstractFramedChannel15:18
jcrossley3seems to be the per-channel answer from undertow, no?15:19
jcrossley3referenced in IMMUTANT-52315:19
jbossbotjira [IMMUTANT-523] support idle timeouts for Websockets [Open (Unresolved) Feature Request, Major, Unassigned] https://issues.jboss.org/browse/IMMUTANT-52315:19
tcrawleyah, yes indeed. it's currently only set in undertow by the SPDY support.15:22
jcrossley3idu15:22
jcrossley3it *could* be set for a WS, no?15:22
tcrawleysure! but the question is, is the channel behind an HttpServerExchange a AbstractFramedChannel?15:23
jcrossley3for a WS, i would think so15:23
tcrawleyand we can't set it incontainer15:23
tcrawleyI mean for !WS. that's what I'm more concerned about15:23
jcrossley3for the edge condition in sente?15:24
jcrossley3in-container you'd use javax.websocket.Session#setMaxIdleTimeout(), right?15:25
tcrawleyah, right15:26
tcrawleybut yeah, I'm concerned about !WS as well15:27
jcrossley3why doesn't IDLE_TIMEOUT allay your concern for that sente edge condition?15:27
tcrawleyit may, if we can set it in-container15:28
jcrossley3i wouldn't expect in-container users to balk at editing standalone.xml15:29
jcrossley3embrace the container!15:29
jcrossley3do you know of anyone using sente in-container?15:30
tcrawleyI don't know of any in-container users, no15:31
tcrawleybut is there even an option for setting it in-container?15:32
tcrawleyif we expose setting a timeout for websockets, are you ok with it only being a ws option?15:32
jcrossley3if it's only an option for as-channel, i think that's sensible15:33
* jcrossley3 sighs15:50
jcrossley3it doesn't seem to be listed in the undertow dtd15:50
jcrossley3s/dtd/xsd/15:50
jcrossley3https://github.com/wildfly/wildfly/tree/master/undertow/src/main/resources/schema15:51
tcrawleyyou can set the read-timeout and write-timeout15:54
tcrawleyIDLE_TIMEOUT gets applied to both of those in code anyway15:55
tcrawleythey are XNIO options, IDLE_TO is an undertow option that just gets applied to both15:55
jcrossley3ah15:57
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jcrossley3tcrawley: so just this? <http-listener name="default" socket-binding="http" read-timeout="30000" write-timeout="30000"/>16:10
jcrossley3seems easy enough to doc16:10
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tcrawleyjcrossley3: I think so, yes17:37
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GitHub3[wunderboss] tobias pushed 1 new commit to master: http://git.io/vYNO418:03
GitHub3wunderboss/master 433a0a9 Toby Crawley: Trigger onClose handler when underlying http channel is closed [IMMUTANT-573]18:03
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jbossbotTitle: Trigger onClose handler when underlying http channel is closed [IMMUT… · projectodd/wunderboss@433a0a9 · GitHub18:03
jbossbotjira [IMMUTANT-573] onClose for HTTP channel doesn't get called when channel is closed inside undertow [Open (Unresolved) Bug, Major, Unassigned] https://issues.jboss.org/browse/IMMUTANT-57318:03
projectodd-ciProject wunderboss-incremental build #261: SUCCESS in 3 min 13 sec: https://projectodd.ci.cloudbees.com/job/wunderboss-incremental/261/18:06
projectodd-ciToby Crawley: Trigger onClose handler when underlying http channel is closed [IMMUTANT-573]18:06
jbossbotjira [IMMUTANT-573] onClose for HTTP channel doesn't get called when channel is closed inside undertow [Open (Unresolved) Bug, Major, Unassigned] https://issues.jboss.org/browse/IMMUTANT-57318:06
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GitHub138[wunderboss] jcrossley3 pushed 1 new commit to master: http://git.io/vYxmJ22:31
GitHub138wunderboss/master b2a1ee1 Jim Crossley: Fix hornetq version conflict [IMMUTANT-567]22:31
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jbossbotTitle: Fix hornetq version conflict [IMMUTANT-567] · projectodd/wunderboss@b2a1ee1 · GitHub22:31
jbossbotjira [IMMUTANT-567] transactions and messaging bring in two different versions of HornetQ [Open (Unresolved) Bug, Major, Jim Crossley] https://issues.jboss.org/browse/IMMUTANT-56722:31
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projectodd-ciProject wunderboss-incremental build #262: SUCCESS in 2 min 51 sec: https://projectodd.ci.cloudbees.com/job/wunderboss-incremental/262/22:34
projectodd-ciJim Crossley: Fix hornetq version conflict [IMMUTANT-567]22:34
jbossbotjira [IMMUTANT-567] transactions and messaging bring in two different versions of HornetQ [Open (Unresolved) Bug, Major, Jim Crossley] https://issues.jboss.org/browse/IMMUTANT-56722:34
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