Friday, 2015-09-18

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giorgio_vHi all, I’m trying to see if two clusters (test and dev) can be deployed on the same network and if so, how. I found this link: https://developer.jboss.org/wiki/PromiscuousTraffic. Is it still relevant?10:49
jbossbotTitle: PromiscuousTraffic | JBoss Developer10:49
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WorldsEndlessHello16:25
WorldsEndlessI'm trying to wrap my head around some basic concepts here. If I own example.com (both name and machine it points to), how can typing 'example.com' into the browser show my immutant/luminus app?16:27
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marianoguerraWorldsEndless: you have to run the immutant app in the machine it points to in port 8016:29
WorldsEndlessDo I just need to select port 80 as the app port?16:30
WorldsEndlessAh16:30
marianoguerraotherwise other port and type example.com:8080 for example if immutant is running at port 808016:30
marianoguerraif you aren't running as root it won't be easy16:30
WorldsEndlessIf I want to run alongside apache, this will probably cause a conflict, right?16:30
marianoguerrathe easiest way is to run nginx and proxy the requests from 80 (nginx) to the port immutant runs on16:30
marianoguerranginx or apache16:30
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WorldsEndlessDoes running clojurescript as part of that application change things at all? Or will it all be handled by immutant?16:32
marianoguerraWorldsEndless: you can deploy it and serve it from immutant or from the frontend server (nginx or apache)16:32
marianoguerrathe simples one is to serve it from immutant I guess, the most performant is to serve it from nginx/apache16:32
WorldsEndlessVery good. I think Luminus uses immutant for it, so it should be good to go16:33
WorldsEndlessbtw, needed web site edit on http://immutant.org/documentation/2.0.2/apidoc/guide-installation.html : it says that Luminus apps won't have a :main function, but current implementations of Luminus do (and work instantly with Immutant)16:37
jbossbotTitle: Immutant 2.0.2 API documentation16:37
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tcrawleyWorldsEndless: would you mind filing an @issue for that doc fix?16:46
proddbotWe'd be happy as a Sunday in Paris, full of song, and dance, and laughter, my friend, if you would file an issue at https://issues.jboss.org/browse/IMMUTANT16:46
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WorldsEndlessDone.16:58
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WorldsEndlessAny advice on why I should run my app in immutant instead of as a .war, and how I can proselyte this to my manager? I'm not sure how far "it's easier" will carry the point.17:00
jcrossley3WorldsEndless: a war implies some kind of container, e.g. tomcat, wildfly, etc17:06
jcrossley3"in immutant" is kind of confusing, as immutant libs could be contained in a war17:07
WorldsEndlessjcrossley3: Yeah, War I was presuming tomcat.17:08
jcrossley3the tradeoff is usually either war deployed to a container or a self-contained jar with a main entry point17:08
jcrossley3the immutant web lib offers little if you intend to deploy to tomcat, though you could use other immutant libs in that app17:10
jcrossley3it may be arguably "easier" to do certain things, e.g. websockets, running a jar with immutant.web than on tomcat17:11
jcrossley3but doing that will change your deployment process if you're already accustomed to tomcat17:11
WorldsEndlessThe Luminus documentation indicates that working from Immutant is one deployment strategy while exporting to War and running Tomcat is another, so I'm trying to feel out the trade-offs17:12
WorldsEndless(I've not done Tomcat before, either, as I'm usually scrapping on LAMP stacks)17:13
jcrossley3oh, i assumed you were having to convince your boss to move away from tomcat17:13
WorldsEndlessNo, this is part of the convince to move TO Clojure discussion :)17:14
jcrossley3a self-contained jar is simpler than tomcat (or any app server) in that the jar (whether using immutant or any other embedded web server) is a single thing you run. once you introduce tomcat (or any app server), you then must package your app to be deployed to that tomcat process, so that's two things. :)17:15
jcrossley3so for your needs, forget tomcat. it buys you nothing.17:16
WorldsEndlessGood to know.17:16
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tcrawleyWorldsEndless: my only real production devops experience is clojars.org - it runs from a jar managed by upstart (http://upstart.ubuntu.com/) that is fronted by nginx proxying to the app17:20
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tcrawleyjbossbot: thanks17:21
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WorldsEndlessI think for my current needs, proxying from Apache should be fine. Thanks!17:25
tcrawleysure, apache would be fine. I was just telling my story :)17:27
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WorldsEndlesstcrawley: I appreciate it. It sounds like the easiest method (with few opportunity costs) will be to use the already-existing apache servers to point to my Immutant-running app.17:30
tcrawleyyes, that's what I would do17:30
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