15:06:50 <lincolnthree> #startmeeting
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15:06:52 <koentsje> vineetreynolds takes another roofie
15:06:52 <jbossbot> Title:3 MeetBot - Debian Wiki
15:07:01 <lincolnthree> #chair vineetreynolds koentsje gastaldi
15:07:01 <jbott> Current chairs: gastaldi koentsje lincolnthree vineetreynolds
15:07:03 <koentsje> oh no, it’s the other thing you need to take ;)
15:07:08 <lincolnthree> #topic Agenda
15:07:27 <vineetreynolds> koentsje: shhh. This will come in the meeting minutes ;)
15:07:50 <koentsje> lol
15:08:21 <lincolnthree> #info Status reports
15:08:31 <lincolnthree> #info Next steps & priorities
15:08:39 <lincolnthree> anything else?
15:08:48 <vineetreynolds> GSoC
15:08:57 <lincolnthree> #info GSoC
15:09:32 <vineetreynolds> Let’s start
15:09:38 <lincolnthree> #nexttopic
15:09:38 <jbott> No next topic. Use #addtopic to add topics.
15:09:40 <lincolnthree> shit
15:09:45 <lincolnthree> #info Status reports
15:09:50 <lincolnthree> #info Next steps & priorities
15:09:52 <lincolnthree> #info GSoC
15:09:55 <lincolnthree> GAH
15:09:56 <vineetreynolds> err
15:10:02 <lincolnthree> #addtopic Status reports
15:10:09 <lincolnthree> #addtopic Next steps & priorities
15:10:14 <lincolnthree> #addtopic GSoC
15:10:16 <lincolnthree> #nexttopic
15:10:16 <jbott> #topic Status reports
15:10:20 <lincolnthree> I'm tired apparently
15:10:40 <vineetreynolds> Yeah, pretty obvious you need a break
15:11:13 <lincolnthree> nah it was my own fault
15:11:24 <lincolnthree> I'll go first
15:11:30 <vineetreynolds> shh this is not the time to confess, but to give status reports
15:11:54 <lincolnthree> #info James is still working on the website, so I haven't been able to do much with the website over the past few weeks. Once he delivers new implementations, I'll be able to bring them into our app.
15:12:23 <lincolnthree> #info I'm still doing general troubleshooting support for some Furnace Test Harness issues, but mostly that's it.
15:12:26 <lincolnthree> ok im done
15:13:08 <koentsje> #info jbt 4.2.2.Final is being built atm or anytime soon
15:14:01 <koentsje> #info I had to bump the version number of the m2e plugin for this release, not sure why it’s not inheriting from the parent pom
15:14:22 <lincolnthree> koentsje: odd. not sure about that either
15:14:24 <koentsje> i don’t have anything more i’m afraid
15:15:10 <koentsje> lincolnthree: fred did that plugin iirc, maybe he just gave the initial version number 1.0.0
15:16:35 <lincolnthree> mm
15:16:42 <lincolnthree> ok np koentsje, any blockers?
15:17:19 <koentsje> no blockers, i have a meeting with qe on friday to see what should be done urgently for forge
15:17:32 <koentsje> that is for the next iteration
15:18:09 <lincolnthree> ok great, could you email us and let us know what they say?
15:18:13 <koentsje> and also about testing, i want to take a look at using their red deer framework for automated testing
15:18:33 <koentsje> sure, i will keep you posted
15:20:02 <lincolnthree> ok vineetreynolds, you're up then go to bed!
15:20:11 <vineetreynolds> Gastaldi is away, so I’ll wrap up
15:20:18 <lincolnthree> koentsje: that would be really nice (automated testing)
15:20:53 <vineetreynolds> #info Vineet is now exploring CQRS and the tooling possibilities
15:21:07 <koentsje> lincolnthree: indeed, it should especially serve the purpose of switching to another runtime with less risk
15:22:06 <lincolnthree> vineetreynolds: i saw your doc of notes. i didn't really have any comments, but it looks interesting
15:22:17 <vineetreynolds> lincolnthree: Well it’s just the beginning
15:23:00 <vineetreynolds> lincolnthree: To put it bluntly, CQRS is not the same as CRUD, so it’s possible to come up with a set of commands (possibly even framework specific) to aid in rapid development
15:23:33 <vineetreynolds> lincolnthree: The referenced articles in FORGEPLUGINS-179 (which is tangential to my work) just scratches the surface
15:23:33 <jbossbot> jira [3FORGEPLUGINS-179] CQRS REST Resource Generation [10Open (Unresolved) Feature Request,7 Major,6 Unassigned] https://issues.jboss.org/browse/FORGEPLUGINS-179
15:24:09 <vineetreynolds> CQRS has several terminologies and every ‘noun’ in it is something that can be used in a tooling context
15:24:51 <vineetreynolds> For instance, there are command classes, event classes etc. and all of these can be created with some inputs
15:25:24 <vineetreynolds> There are frameworks like Axon where app development may be aided  by Forge
15:25:39 <vineetreynolds> Axon: www.axonframework.org
15:25:54 <lincolnthree> interesting
15:26:03 <vineetreynolds> Ok, I think I’ve spoken enough. Anymore and people might start a Q&A session ;)
15:26:08 <lincolnthree> haha
15:26:12 <lincolnthree> yeah im trying to avoid that :p
15:26:14 <lincolnthree> go to bed!
15:26:15 <lincolnthree> thanks guys
15:26:22 <vineetreynolds> No, I’ll hang around
15:26:23 <lincolnthree> #nexttopic
15:26:24 <jbott> #topic Next steps & priorities
15:26:34 <lincolnthree> I forgot we had more
15:26:52 <lincolnthree> #info NetBeans plugin
15:27:02 <lincolnthree> #info XPaaS / ForgeIDE support
15:27:09 <lincolnthree> #info JBDS issues (if any)
15:27:22 <lincolnthree> anything else?
15:27:43 <koentsje> not that i can see
15:27:59 <lincolnthree> #nexttopic
15:27:59 <jbott> #topic GSoC
15:31:07 <vineetreynolds> Do we have ideas for this year?
15:32:11 <lincolnthree> vineetreynolds: hmm
15:32:56 <lincolnthree> vineetreynolds: maybe next generation scaffolding? allowing people to extend more easily into the generation pipeline
15:33:02 <lincolnthree> that's tough though, and not super "inspirational"
15:33:13 <vineetreynolds> Yeah
15:33:23 <lincolnthree> vineetreynolds: maybe a web forge
15:33:32 <lincolnthree> a console that runs in the web, backed by openshift
15:33:47 <vineetreynolds> I was wondering if we could pull in some NLP capabilities, but I havent studied much in that area
15:33:47 <lincolnthree> something we can use to do online demos, etc
15:33:49 <lincolnthree> nlp is ridiculous
15:34:12 <vineetreynolds> Well, the interested can work on it :)
15:34:32 <lincolnthree> yeah
15:34:35 <lincolnthree> that's a good idea
15:34:42 <lincolnthree> the forge speech addon comes to mind
15:34:46 <vineetreynolds> Decomposing natural language into forge parameters
15:34:53 <vineetreynolds> I mean params to forge commands
15:34:58 <lincolnthree> yea
15:35:41 <koentsje> haha
15:35:47 <koentsje> a forge brain plug?
15:36:45 <vineetreynolds> hmm still 10 years away
15:36:45 <lincolnthree> :p
15:38:05 <lincolnthree> yeah, i like both of those ideas i guess
15:38:16 <lincolnthree> online web console backed by a java server seems cool
15:38:17 <koentsje> maybe in the vert.x area? polyglot?
15:38:26 <lincolnthree> hmm
15:38:59 <lincolnthree> maybe that teaching framework we've talked about
15:39:06 <lincolnthree> one that helps guide you through a learning process
15:39:11 <vineetreynolds> Those areas sounds interesting. But we need to think of something
15:39:15 <koentsje> that’s cool
15:39:30 <koentsje> smalltalk/learniingworks springs to mind
15:40:09 <vineetreynolds> Can even build a course test into it
15:40:23 <lincolnthree> yea :
15:40:23 <lincolnthree> :)
15:40:32 <vineetreynolds> I’ve been using this to learn R for a while now: http://swirlstats.com/ It does something similar
15:40:33 <jbossbot> Title:3 swirl: Learn R, in R.
15:40:34 <lincolnthree> #info Forge Web Console
15:40:43 <lincolnthree> #info Forge Command NLP
15:40:47 <koentsje> if the student can hack the test he passes ;)
15:40:57 <lincolnthree> #info Teaching & Tutorial Addon
15:41:27 <vineetreynolds> koentsje: It’s Java. He’ll sleep after reading half of the code :p
15:41:36 <koentsje> haha
15:42:36 <lincolnthree> :)
15:42:43 <lincolnthree> vineetreynolds: it's not that verbose anymore
15:42:48 <lincolnthree> vineetreynolds: but yea
15:43:00 <lincolnthree> ok, that sounds good. we have some ideas. we can keep thinking
15:43:06 <lincolnthree> i think we can wrap up now
15:45:36 <lincolnthree> #endmeeting